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November 19, 2024 at 6:12 amvalerym.m5SubscriberHello,I am solving the problem of deformation of an energy-absorbing device for a railway car in two stages:1st stage - static compression and a long period of relaxation2nd stage - cargo dropfor the first stage, you need to use an implicit solverfor the second stage, you need to use an explicit solverI tried to use the LS-DYNA program (Revision: R13.0-365-gf8a97bda2a) and the external library of materials PolyUMod.This problem was solved only by using an implicit solver for the entire problem.But this method turned out to be unprofitable due to the long solution time.I tried to use a "full restart", but it turned out that when the model uses the external library of materials PolyUMod, LS-DYNA cannot use the results obtained at the first step for the second step (restart).LS-DYNA reads the solution results from the first step, but then they are "zeroed out".
*** I use EFG formulationMaybe someone could find a way to solve similar problems?*** I also tried to solve this problem using the material model 318, implemented in the LS-DYNA program (Revision: R14.1.1-4-gaf1eb871e8 | AnLicVer: 2024 R2 (20240501+dl-65-gb272478), but unfortunately I could not solve even the first stage of this problem.It is very likely that the implemented material model 318 has some "disadvantages"... -
November 19, 2024 at 6:13 amvalerym.m5Subscriber
I also tried to use IMFLAG in CONTROL IMPLICIT GENERAL to switch the solver in ls-dyna.
To my deep regret, I was not able to successfully use this way of solving the problem.
Below is the error message and the file for this problem
Maybe there are errors in this model
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bZzXNf7NOmcYYPBtF5iGxSeKR2y_AcDY/view?usp=drive_link
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November 22, 2024 at 1:39 amDennis ChenSubscriber
valerym, I requested google drive access if the k file is available to be shared. I’ve solved this problem before in a project using a calibrated hyperelastic material model so your mat card could very well be the culprit.
Below is a video on implicit explicit switch – Link(\https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGFIqcMdc18&t=12s)
Dyna-example also has a good example on implicit-explicit switch – https://www.dynaexamples.com/implicit/basic-examples/impl-expl-switch
Is this for a company called A.Stuki? lol
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November 22, 2024 at 10:32 amvalerym.m5Subscriber
Dear Dennis,
I have allowed your request for google drive access.
Your suspicion about incorrect values of constants for the material model used is unlikely, since I have performed several test simulations using these constants and the results of the numerical simulations coincided well with the results of the natural experiments.
Thank you very much for your link to the video.
Additionally, I would like to ask another questions regarding the output of calculation results after the explicit solver has started to be used:
switching from implicit set this curve, from time 1 secondI set the curve for output 8
but in the process of solving it, I receive the following information:
Despite the messages about solving the problem using an explicit solver, the recording of calculation results after 1 second does not occur.
I cannot understand
- Why does the information output occur with an interval of (approximately) 0.0009 seconds,
if I ordered the output with a much smaller step – 1E-5 seconds – see curve 8Based on the recorded calculation results, it can be assumed that
at the stage of using the explicit solver, LS-DYNA records the results according to curve 8,
and after starting to use the explicit solver, LS-DYNA does not record the results according to curve 8 -
November 22, 2024 at 10:48 amvalerym.m5Subscriber
at the moment of switching solvers – 1 second, in my model the following occurs:
deactivation of the rigid body movement limitation
activation of the initial velocity of the rigid body
activation of one pair of contactsin the published videos, the authors “balance/play” with combinations of specified time values 0.999999/1/1.000001
probably based on their own understanding of the algorithms used and personal understanding of each specific task.
I couldn't find a clear/obvious "answer" to this question in the documentation
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November 22, 2024 at 2:46 pm
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November 22, 2024 at 3:01 pmvalerym.m5Subscriber
Dear Dennis,
thanks for the advice.
I'll try to use it and let you know the result. -
November 23, 2024 at 8:44 pmvalerym.m5Subscriber
Good evening colleagues,
the situation with the output of results is becoming clearer.I had this set for outputting results
Time Fy 0.00E+00 0.00E+00 6.64E-02 0.00E+00 1.66E-01 0.00E+00 2.26E-01 0.00E+00 2.86E-01 0.00E+00 3.46E-01 0.00E+00 4.06E-01 0.00E+00 4.66E-01 0.00E+00 5.26E-01 0.00E+00 5.86E-01 0.00E+00 6.46E-01 0.00E+00 7.06E-01 0.00E+00 7.66E-01 0.00E+00 8.26E-01 0.00E+00 8.86E-01 0.00E+00 9.46E-01 0.00E+00 1.00E+00 0.00E+00 1.02E+00 1.57E+04 1.02E+00 1.47E+04 1.02E+00 1.52E+04 1.02E+00 1.48E+04 1.02E+00 1.52E+04 1.02E+00 1.56E+04 1.02E+00 1.55E+04 1.02E+00 1.49E+04 1.02E+00 1.61E+04 1.02E+00 1.57E+04 1.02E+00 1.54E+04 1.02E+00 1.55E+04 1.02E+00 1.54E+04 1.02E+00 1.52E+04 1.02E+00 1.53E+04 1.02E+00 1.56E+04 1.02E+00 1.51E+04 1.02E+00 1.54E+04 1.02E+00 1.55E+04 1.02E+00 1.60E+04 1.02E+00 1.68E+04 1.02E+00 5.26E+04 1.02E+00 1.62E+04 1.02E+00 1.79E+04 1.02E+00 1.73E+04 1.02E+00 1.75E+04 1.02E+00 1.75E+04 1.02E+00 1.70E+04 1.02E+00 1.70E+04 1.02E+00 1.74E+04 1.02E+00 1.72E+04 1.02E+00 1.75E+04 1.02E+00 1.75E+04 1.02E+00 1.76E+04 1.02E+00 1.75E+04 1.02E+00 1.77E+04 1.02E+00 1.76E+04 1.02E+00 1.79E+04 1.02E+00 1.84E+04 1.02E+00 1.81E+04 1.02E+00 2.17E+04 1.02E+00 1.93E+04 1.02E+00 1.94E+04 1.02E+00 1.84E+04 1.02E+00 1.94E+04 1.03E+00 1.86E+04 1.03E+00 1.96E+04 1.03E+00 1.90E+04 1.03E+00 1.93E+04 1.03E+00 1.89E+04 1.03E+00 1.89E+04 1.03E+00 1.89E+04 1.03E+00 1.90E+04 1.03E+00 1.91E+04 1.03E+00 5.72E+04 1.03E+00 1.89E+04 1.03E+00 1.97E+04 1.03E+00 1.99E+04 1.03E+00 2.03E+04 1.03E+00 1.96E+04 1.03E+00 1.97E+04 1.03E+00 1.97E+04 1.03E+00 1.98E+04 1.03E+00 1.96E+04 1.03E+00 1.97E+04 1.03E+00 1.97E+04 this is a record of results
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November 23, 2024 at 8:45 pmvalerym.m5Subscriber
8.86E-01 0.00E+00 6.00000E-02 9.46E-01 0.00E+00 6.00000E-02 1.00E+00 0.00E+00 5.38341E-02 1.02E+00 1.57E+04 2.00000E-02 1.02E+00 1.47E+04 1.09077E-04 1.02E+00 1.52E+04 1.09196E-04 1.02E+00 1.48E+04 1.09315E-04 1.02E+00 1.52E+04 1.09315E-04 1.02E+00 1.56E+04 1.09434E-04 1.02E+00 1.55E+04 1.09673E-04 1.02E+00 1.49E+04 1.09673E-04 1.02E+00 1.61E+04 1.09792E-04 1.02E+00 1.57E+04 1.09911E-04 1.02E+00 1.54E+04 1.09911E-04 1.02E+00 1.55E+04 1.10030E-04 1.02E+00 1.54E+04 1.10269E-04 1.02E+00 1.52E+04 1.10269E-04 1.02E+00 1.53E+04 1.10388E-04 1.02E+00 1.56E+04 1.10507E-04 1.02E+00 1.51E+04 1.10626E-04 1.02E+00 1.54E+04 1.10626E-04 1.02E+00 1.55E+04 1.10865E-04 1.02E+00 1.60E+04 1.10865E-04 1.02E+00 1.68E+04 1.10865E-04 1.02E+00 5.26E+04 1.11103E-04 1.02E+00 1.62E+04 1.11222E-04 1.02E+00 1.79E+04 1.11461E-04 1.02E+00 1.73E+04 1.11222E-04 1.02E+00 1.75E+04 1.11580E-04 1.02E+00 1.75E+04 1.11580E-04 1.02E+00 1.70E+04 1.11699E-04 1.02E+00 1.70E+04 1.11699E-04 1.02E+00 1.74E+04 1.12057E-04 1.02E+00 1.72E+04 1.11937E-04 1.02E+00 1.75E+04 1.12057E-04 1.02E+00 1.75E+04 1.12295E-04 1.02E+00 1.76E+04 1.12176E-04 1.02E+00 1.75E+04 1.12534E-04 1.02E+00 1.77E+04 1.12534E-04 1.02E+00 1.76E+04 1.12534E-04 1.02E+00 1.79E+04 1.12653E-04 1.02E+00 1.84E+04 1.12891E-04 1.02E+00 1.81E+04 1.13010E-04 1.02E+00 2.17E+04 1.12891E-04 1.02E+00 1.93E+04 1.13249E-04 1.02E+00 1.94E+04 1.13249E-04 1.02E+00 1.84E+04 1.13249E-04 1.02E+00 1.94E+04 1.13368E-04 1.03E+00 1.86E+04 1.13606E-04 1.03E+00 1.96E+04 1.13726E-04 1.03E+00 1.90E+04 1.13606E-04 1.03E+00 1.93E+04 1.13964E-04 1.03E+00 1.89E+04 1.13845E-04 1.03E+00 1.89E+04 1.14203E-04 1.03E+00 1.89E+04 1.14083E-04 1.03E+00 1.90E+04 1.14322E-04 1.03E+00 1.91E+04 1.14322E-04 1.03E+00 5.72E+04 1.14560E-04 1.03E+00 1.89E+04 1.14441E-04 1.03E+00 1.97E+04 1.14799E-04 1.03E+00 1.99E+04 1.14799E-04 1.03E+00 2.03E+04 1.14799E-04 1.03E+00 1.96E+04 1.15037E-04 1.03E+00 1.97E+04 1.15037E-04 1.03E+00 1.97E+04 1.15156E-04 1.03E+00 1.98E+04 1.15395E-04 1.03E+00 1.96E+04 1.15514E-04 1.03E+00 1.97E+04 1.15395E-04 1.03E+00 1.97E+04 1.15633E-04
the third column is the step with which the results were recorded1.00E+00 0.00E+00 5.38341E-02 1.02E+00 1.57E+04 2.00000E-02 1.02E+00 1.47E+04 1.09077E-04 1.02E+00 1.52E+04 1.09196E-04 i.e. the first recording of results occurred after 0.02 seconds from the switching time, from implicit to explicit solver = 1 second
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November 23, 2024 at 8:49 pmvalerym.m5Subscriber
this is a link to this model
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SNBO_8Yf2G7Ip2OvjYw4PcdYTsWCEqmA/view?usp=drive_linkthis is a graph of the steps of recording the results from the time of the solution
see the first step from 1 to 1.2
it turns out that the step does not change instantly, but according to some law ???
I thought that by asking this:
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November 23, 2024 at 8:53 pmvalerym.m5Subscriber
the step of recording the results will be 1E-5 from 1 to 1.0001 seconds!
but it turns out that this is not so…
then how?
WHERE in the documentation is there something unambiguous / understandable:
How exactly does the ls-dyna perceive the information specified in the curve???of course, I can "play"... - make a tiny step at the end of the implicit solver's solution time - before switching to the explicit solver....
but I want to understand = how to use the "curve" command?
how does ls-dyna perceive and interpret this command?after all, it’s important to understand!
okay – when it concerns the output of results
but WHAT and HOW does ls-dyna do – when the load is specified as a curve?
How does ls-dyna perceive/interpret information on the load specified as a curve?
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