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[Georgiro1]

Hello, I need to help with the dimension and their changes, since it seems I am not able to change the dimension of length in the picture I show you! And of course I know how to get the dimension with the star, but it does not work and I try all possible lengths, but it does not allow me to change anything at all. And this is absolutely critical and I am trying to do with this for one month and nothing!!! Absolutely poor!

 

Please have a look at the picture and you will see what the problem is and tell me! Thanks. 

[Georgiro1]

[Georgiro1]

And the point is for example that I need to change the R=3.36mm to D=6.15mm, but it does not work and I have been trying this change of so many lengths, but it is not possible. So can you tell me what to start to do in order to be able to do it! Thanks

[Rob]

Can you Pull the face that forms that feature? You'll need to work out how far to get the new diameter (radius). 

[Georgiro1]

The depth is less than L=<90 mm, but what do you mean by pull - I have no idea. So basically I just in general need to change the diamater well, but it does not work and I can see the start to change it, but it does not work. So what shall I be doing in this way and I can spend hours and hours to change it and it does not work at all! This is the problem. Thanks

[Georgiro1]

So what do you want me to pull? I have no idea. Thanks

[Georgiro1]

I only and only need a simple way to order to change the dimension on the star value! It does not work and I do with with so many visibility - the position of the start, i. e. from different visibility of starts! Just impossible at all! Thanks

[Rob]

It's a SpaceClaim function  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY5KU-hOaAU   which you need to alter the geometry. Those dimensions look like a CAD dimension overlay, not what I'd expect to just type a new number into. 

[Georgiro1]

So as I said this before, the whole problem is to make the difference of the size, so I had e. g. length of xx mm and need to change it to something different, however it is not possible to change it at all and I am looking the the star dimension and it is not possible to change it. So are you able to do it this way?

And obviously I can do an exaple and change it and tell me how do you have to do it! It si absolutely not possible to change it at all!!!

 

And also is the need to give you a fine, but I do not know how to give you my file, so that you can do certain changes to do I would like to change them!

Thanks

Jiri

 

 

 

[Georgiro1]

So the first text I have given here also has the model, so you can tell me how to change it If I need to change it. I have a huge problem with this issue. Thanks

[Georgiro1]

And please also explain me how shall I put the face that form the feature, because I do not understand it at all. Thanks

[Rob]

As we have mentioned before: staff are NOT allowed to download files. We are also not allowed to give detailed instructions. We are here to help & guide you need to go through the tutorials and learn. How did you generate the CAD? 

[peteroznewman]

I opened the attachment and found there is no solid body, just a collection of surface bodies.

I suggest you start over with a new file. As you make each sketch of a profile to Pull into a solid, keep checking the Structure tab to make sure you maintain a solid body.

[Georgiro1]

Ah, I did not know that I have this amazing problem, however how can I do a solid. So it means that I have no idea, so if you can give me a help a bit, it will start to work! Thanks a lot!!!

 

[Georgiro1]

Ah, I did not know that I have this amazing problem, however how can I do a solid. So it means that I have no idea, so if you can give me a help a bit, it will start to work! Thanks a lot!!!

[Georgiro1]

I think I made it as resolved, but it is not resolved, because I still do not know what to do in order to make the solution as solid object! Thanks Peteroznewman a lot!

[Rob]

Try this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtzxmTZvBcU

[Georgiro1]

OK, than I will have to do it, the only difference is that I am creating the solid, but do not know how to create the solid, so if you give me certain guides, this would help me a lot. Thanks

[Georgiro1]

Or how to do it, If I have the non-solid model created, what to do in order to have it as solid! Thanks

[Georgiro1]

So easily how to create a solid body? Thanks

[Rob]

If you have a set of connected (or mostly connected) faces with a few holes running the Repair tools will highlight where the problems are & will try and fix them. What happens if you follow the process shown in the video?

[Georgiro1]

I have not managed to made it, unfortunately...

[Rob]

OK, but what have you made?

[Georgiro1]

So here I have managed to change the item from surface to the volume, however I have a huge problem to change the distance of the small holes of the value 27,2 mm and I need to change it to the value of 31,00 mm and I know how to have it with the star, but still it is impossible to change it. So do you know what is the problem in this case and of course in general! Thanks, because I am a bit confused.

Jiri

[Rob]

OK, I assume you're trying to change the dimension and not the actual geometry. That won't work: the dimensions are an annotation rather than a controlling feature.  You need to use pull etc (as in the videos) on the volume to change the sizes. 

It may help to untick the "Annotation Plane" in the tree so you're not getting confused by the labels.  

As an aside, please can you post the first 10-15 lines of the licence file: I wonder if there's a feature causing some of the issues (there are several "flavours" of SpaceClaim licence). 

[Georgiro1]

So I think I do not understand exactly what do you mean? Why are you saying dimension and not the actual geometry? But you know that I change the dimension only with the star icon! Thanks

[Georgiro1]

So how can I think of the dimension that I want to change and that are possible to change - I am a bit confused! Thanks

[Georgiro1]

So basically I need to change the radius of 27.2 to 32 mm and I would say this must be absolutely easy, but it is not and I do not know why! Thanks

 

[Rob]

You change the geometry using Pull etc, this will update the radius dimension when it's done. 

[Georgiro1]

So can you tell me certain detail, since when I change the e. g. length, it does not change it, so what exactly shall I do? Thanks

 

[Georgiro1]

And the point is that I already have the dimension done and I have to change it, but how? I have no idea. Thanks

[Georgiro1]

Basically I need to change the distance from the center of the small hole from R= 27.2 mm to R=31 mm, but do not know how. Thanks

[Georgiro1]

In the previous comment there is also the part to change...Thanks

[Rob]

Select the annular face and use the Pull tool as outlined in the video(s). 

[Georgiro1]

So I am trying to change the length with the star and it does not work as usual!

[Georgiro1]

And also where can I see the videos? This is needed for me! Thanks

[Georgiro1]

And what is annular face? I have no idea...thanks...

[Rob]

Read my posts and look for the YouTube links, I also find Google to be very useful for looking up/translating words I don't understand. 

[Rob]

There's this lot too  /forum/forums/topic/spaceclaim-teaching-curriculum-materials/  which should answer most of your questions 

[Georgiro1]

So rwoolhou, woud you be able to help me a little bit, because otherwise I am not able to start to work with this software at all! THanks

[peteroznewman]

https://youtu.be/dGIodz0It4A

 

[Georgiro1]

rwoolhou: You change the geometry using Pull etc, this will update the radius dimension when it's done. However I have done it, but even with having the star and changing it, it does not work at all. So what shall I be doing? This is a critical question for me! Thanks for explaining me this question! Thanks

[Rob]

Pull is used to extend/shrink objects. Including changing the radius of holes.  To move the hole, follow the instructions Peter gave.

[Georgiro1]

So I am still a bit confused, so what else shall I do in order to change the size - lenght correctly? Thanks for your details...

[Georgiro1]

Above in the picture I need to change the distances of two holes from the central hole and now it is 31 mm, but need st. more. Thanks for your help, I still do not know how to do it!

[Georgiro1]

Ok, now I can see the work of peteroznewman. Thanks a lot for your details, I have to try it.

[Georgiro1]

Great, but it does not move the whole hole at all. And anymore I am not able to move the other hole. So I would be a lot interested how this can be done.

 Thanks

 

[peteroznewman]

Watch the video again. First I turned off the surfaces, then I moved one hole, then I moved the other hole after changing the direction of the move. 

If you need more help than this, please start a New Discussion as this one is too long and has been marked as solved.

[Georgiro1]

And also you mentined the solid body and I need to know how can this find out? Thanks

[peteroznewman]

The solid body is circled.  Uncheck the surface bodies at the bottom (Povrch) to avoid moving them instead of the hole in the solid.

[Georgiro1]

Ok, I will try it, let us see. I hope it will work well. Because it had the possibility to change it with the only first hole, but not the second and it was not easy at all. So I will try it. Thanks

[Georgiro1]

And I am very sorry, but I again realized that I only have the surfaces, so can you help me and tell me how to create again the volume? Thanks a lot.

[Rob]

What happened to the model you sent Peter? Have you tried using the Repair tools if the surfaces are present but the volume is missing? 

[peteroznewman]

This post has the file that I used in the video which has the solid body in it.

[Georgiro1]

And of course you mentioned I can do it in solid way, but how? OK, I got it!

[Georgiro1]

Now I have it, so thank you a lot! And now to change the threads by a few mm. Thanks!

[Georgiro1]

And I guess you understand now this problem when I need to change the distance from the central thread, a few mm outwards. 

[Georgiro1]

[peteroznewman]

When you say "how to change the threads by a few mm" do you mean the diameter of the hole in the solid?  You use the Pull tool and click and drag the face of the hole.

[Georgiro1]

Yes, of course, because otherwise I cannot be doing threads at all. Yes and this is the problem I cannot be doing here for certain reason, but why?

Thanks

[peteroznewman]

If you added a Component, and that component is Active (name is Bold in Outline), then you can't edit solids in other components. [edit made]

You have to click on the Component that has the solid below it and Make Active.

[Georgiro1]

So nice that I can like percieve it, but still do not know what are you telling me, can you show me an example to understand it well. Because I do not understand it at all. Thanks

[Georgiro1]

So in general, this problem can be a general problem I have!

[Georgiro1]

Even this may be a problem with the holes in general - impossible to change its distance...

[Georgiro1]

So basically I do not understand your explanation of having the component Active or the name is Outline and cannot edit the solids, so can you explain me this a little bit. And I think I will have to make a new discussion to tell me this. Thanks

[peteroznewman]

I left the word bold out of the previous post, which is now corrected.

Here is the outline of the file you attached above, let's concentrate on that.

In this outline, there is only the file name at the top, and it is in bold.

 The solid body is circled. As I said above, the surfaces lower down can get in the way.

If you right mouse button on the solid, the popup menu shows Hide Others.

It's important to hide others in order to do Move operations on faces of the solid. Concentrate on moving the holes according to the video without complicating it with additional components.  Download the file attached to this post and follow the steps in the video. You will be successful.

If you never add components to a file, then the information I provided above is irrelevant to you. In that case, just forget about that. But if you have questions about components, open a New Discussion, as I have to click Show More Posts button twice to get down this far.

[Georgiro1]

So because I may not fully understand you, can you give me an example that is showing the problem you are mentioning. i. e. Bold outline and be active and not to edit solids in other components. The point is that I do not have any other components there. So I should not have a problem to make the solid active...interesting...but still having problems...

[peteroznewman]

Here is an example with two components and each component has solids under it.  See Component 2 is bold, that means that is the Active Component.

I was suggesting that to edit the Target Solid under Component1, it would be helpful to make Component1 Active first, before attempting to move faces on the Target Solid.

If you follow exactly what was done in the video, you should have no problems.

[Georgiro1]

Now it is clear to me and I understand it well, however when I have a look at my component, there is only one component and for this reason I still have a problem to change lengths of the holes that you can see above, i. e. at the distance 27.2 mm. This just does not help me, because I do not have 2 components there and it is not possible to change the distance and I cannot understand in what way shall I change it? Thanks for your ideas.

[Georgiro1]

The picture I am speaking about was made 3 days ago. Thanks

[Georgiro1]

The only better way is to tell me how to increase the distance of the cylindrical hole from the centre hole, i. e. to increase it to over 31 mm. Thanks

[peteroznewman]

As shown in the video, if you have only one solid visible, and all other objects are not visible, you can click on the Move tool, click on the face of the hole, and drag one of the arrows on the triad to move the hole in that direction by an amount you can type in.  The video shows how to align the triad with a curve that is visible.

[Georgiro1]

So it looks absolutely easy, however I can have the beginning of the xyz in the correct way, but I do not know what to do in order to change the hole's distance at all and I am having a look at your video, but I cannot get the information...

[Georgiro1]

And you can see here that I have changed the coordinate system, but how to change the distance - I have no idea! And this is the point!

[Georgiro1]

And also to think of me to change the length - in this way it is not possible and I have no idea what it means...

[peteroznewman]

Good progress.  The next thing to do when you have the hole face selected and the move triad visible and pointing in the right direction is to click on the green axis of the triad and drag it to the left. That will begin moving the hole in the right direction to increase the dimension. A popup box with the move distance will appear. The difference between the dimension you want 31 and the dimension you have 27.2 is 3.8 so you type 3.8 in the dialog and hit enter and the hole will now be at 31 mm. That is what I did in the video.

Some people have figured out how to use the measure tool while moving faces, and learned how to measure the distance to the other hole, then they can type in 31 instead of 3.8 but I haven't figured out how to use the measure tool while moving faces.

[Georgiro1]

Thanks for your info, I will try to do it in 2 hours, but later on we can see the result. 

[Georgiro1]

So I was trying to do what you are saying, but I am able to do the hole face selected, but do not know exactly what does it mean "move triad" and move to the right direction should not be a problem. If you can show me what is "move triad", this would be clear! Thanks Because otherwise it does not work at all!

[peteroznewman]

Watch the video, at 37 second mark, I grab the red axis of the triad and pull it, which moves the hole and pops up a box to type in a number.

I do it again at the 56 second mark for the other hole.

[Georgiro1]

Ok, I will have a look at it, thanks a lot.

[Georgiro1]

 Fine, but I am not able to find the videos of 37 second and 56 second, how this is possible? Thanks

[Georgiro1]

Oh, sorry for the 56 second video, this has not been done. 

[peteroznewman]

This video from above...

https://youtu.be/dGIodz0It4A

[Georgiro1]

It does not work for me, but again I will try to do it and I will see. Thanks a lot

[Georgiro1]

For me this is absolutely incredible, but hope this will start to work. 

[Georgiro1]

So I have not done it yet today, so I can do it tomorrow and I will tell you the details. Thanks

[Georgiro1]

It looks absolutely easy, but not for me as I can see this issue. I will tell you later.

[Georgiro1]

So here I have changed the position, but still missing 0,06 mm and need to do it, but how? I do not know? Would you be able to help me a little bit! Thanks

[peteroznewman]

Click on the face of the hole on the left that is wrong. Hit F on the keyboard, which is Fill and the hole will be gone. If that hole has a chamfer, you have to first pick the face of the chamfer and hit F, then do the hole.

Now start a sketch on the top and get the circle tool, and start a new hole at the intersection of the radial construction line and circle.

[Georgiro1]

Quite good and quick idea, ok, I will do it. Thanks

[Georgiro1]

This was great idea and it worked absolutely easily. Thanks