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[pradhan.5]

Hi,
I am designing a simple circular coil using a Cylinder (Copper) and UDP's polyhelix coil.
The dimensions are as follows:
Din=140 mm
Dout=280mm
w=1.2446mm
No. of turns= 17
S (dist. b/w turns)= 3mm
The LCR meter provides a value of 75.91 uH but ansys simulation gives a value of 66.8 uH which is highly inaccurate. Even JMAG provides a value of 74.7 uH. Could you comment on why it is so and what might be possible settings that has to be seen.

[Navya C]

Hi Sushan,

Can you check with the following changes?

1. Set the initial mesh settings to fine

2. Increase the region size such that all the fields are confined within it.

Regards,

Navya

 

[pradhan.5]

Thanks Navya,

The results did improve but still there is some inaccuracy. Except the mesh settings, what can be other reasons. Could you tell?

[Navya C]

Can you plot the B fields on a cross-section plane of your model and share the screenshot?

Also, share the screenshot of your solution setup.

 

Regards,

Navya

[pradhan.5]

Hi Navya, 

PFA

[Navya C]

I think,

You need to use a larger region than this as this is on an open-field model.

I suggest you use around 500 mm of region size on each side.

 

Regards,

Navya

 

[pradhan.5]

Hi Navya,

my region size is already 1100*1100*1100. Are the set up parameters fine for this design?

 

 

Regards

Sushan

[pradhan.5]

Hi, Navya

I havent heard you for a while. Could you help solving my issue?

 

Thanks

[Navya C]

Hi Sushan,

Another thing you can check is by further reducing the Nonlinear residual value in the setup.

It won't be easy to figure out the problem without access to your model.

If it still does not solve the problem and If you have access to Ansys customer service, please submit a service request.

By the way, can you share what is the result you are getting and what is measured?

Also, share screenshots of the model and other details if possible.

Regards,

Navya

 

[pradhan.5]

Hi navya,

I have designed a simple copper coil with a certain value of inductance. I am trying to check if any other metal (copper itself) comes in the vicinity of the coil, there must be some effect on the inductance of the coil due to eddy currents. However, there is no change in the inductance value with and without it. Can u help what may be the issue?

 

Thanks

[pradhan.5]

Hi Navya,

Any updates from your side?

 

 

Thanks

[pradhan.5]

Hi,

Any updates?

[Navya C]

HI Sashan,

Initially, you said you are simulating only a coil and comparing its inductance with your tested results.
In your previous message, you are saying you are checking the variation in inductance when you bring another metal nearby the coil.

Which of the scenarios is correct? 

If you are talking about the second scenario,

1)Check the eddy current example in Maxwell and make sure you set up everything accordingly.

2) Turn on the eddy effect for the necessary parts - Right-click on excitation>set eddy effect

If you are still facing the problem and If you do not share screenshots of your setup including which solution type are you using and the results, how do you expect us to interpret your problem correctly?
How do I know whether you are placing a plate or another coil near the excited coil?

Please submit a service request if are subscribed to Ansys customer support.

 

Regards,

Navya

[pradhan.5]

Hi Navya,

Apologies if you are not clear about my problem from the deatails I have provided. The first problem is solved to ceratin extent and I amsatisfied by the obtained results. 

For the second problem, I have seen the videos that Ansys provides. I have designed the coil in magnetostsic solver first and then copied the model in eddy current solver and added the frequency. My aim is to see how the eddy currents induced in the metal object effects the inductance value of the coil.

The value obtained for inductance in both the cases comes out to be same. I am sharing the images of the model and setting I have used in Magnetostsic slover first. I hope you can be clear about it. MO is metal object and coil in the model, both made from copper

. 

Thanks

 

 

 

Regards

Sushan

[pradhan.5]

Hi Navya,

Now I am sharing the eddy current solver images. Everything is same as before as in magnetostsic solver excect frequency settings and set eddy effects settings.

 

If u want I can share the model file too.

Regards

Sushan

[pradhan.5]

Hi 

Any updates?

Regards

Sushan

 

[GLUO]

Hello Sushan,

Could you try assigning a coil terminal and a winding with explicit turn numbers as the excitation instead of assigning amp*turn current at the terminal?

GLUO

[pradhan.5]

Hi GLUO,

I have tried by assigning winding with no. of turns as well but there is no variation in the L value with small metal object as shown in screenshots above. However, when I am using a flat plate covering the entire coil as shown below, there is variation in L value. So, isnt it weird that for a large plate, there is variation in L and not with small coin like object both made of the same material, i.e. copper?

If you want my model, I can share it too.

Regards

Sushan 

 

 

[pradhan.5]

Also, I found it weird that when I am converting the model with small coin like object to 2D and then analyzing it, there is variation in L value but no variation in the same model in 3D analysis.

So, this has been something I am not really understanding.

Regards

Sushan 

[GLUO]

Hello Sushan,

Please submit a service request at ANSYS Customer Portal (Home Page - Ansys Customer Portal). You can share the project file with our dedicated engineers to resolve this issue.

GLUO