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Therefore, Prony pairs has already considered different temperature. Why does the design of the Prony Table include different temperature again? I believe that will certainly confuse users. (2) For the Shift function, there should be only one group C1, C2 and Tref input. However, if you use a different Tref, the C1, C2 should be different and should generate a shift factor A(T) that is quite different. What is the significance of a different Tref? | Ansys Knowledge","twitter:description":"Please refer to the attachment(s) to access the Solution. 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(1)  For TB,Prony input, the data can be entered at different temperatures.  I believe that the Prony constants are a function of reference temperature instead of temperature.  Because, under each reference, the Prony pairs are obtained based on the master curve which is generated by time-temperature superposition based on modulus-frequency curves at  different temperature.  Therefore, Prony pairs has already considered different temperature.  Why does the design of the Prony Table include different temperature again? I believe that will certainly confuse users.     (2) For the Shift function, there should be only one group C1, C2 and Tref input.  However, if you use a different Tref, the C1, C2 should be different and should generate a shift factor A(T) that is quite different.  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Why does the design of the Prony Table include different temperature again? I believe that will certainly confuse users.     (2) For the Shift function, there should be only one group C1, C2 and Tref input.  However, if you use a different Tref, the C1, C2 should be different and should generate a shift factor A(T) that is quite different.  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