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In my first attempt, I tried to model the connections (nodes between the different &#8220;bar\/rod elements&#8221;) of the gridshell by <strong>bonded contact <\/strong>(edge to edge). The solution for total deformation showed that the connection between one of the parts fails and &#8220;swings like a pendulum&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/us.v-cdn.net\/6032193\/uploads\/attachments\/d0389118-f8b1-4b15-941d-ab3d016b9918\/3960c9c6-64f8-4bf6-9094-ab7c009aa66a_capture1.jpg?width=690&amp;upscale=false\" alt=\"\"><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>However, that is not what I wanted. I want the nodes in the structure to be rigid and remain fixed. So I tried adding <strong>fixed joints<\/strong>. I was having trouble&nbsp;&#8216;automatically creating&#8217; joints (as I did for the contact elements) because in the joints tab, there is no option for edge-to-edge joints (the automatically created joints were not the edge to edge joints I wanted, but edge to face). So, after creating contacts as previously, I inserted the joints tab, but kept it empty. As can be seen from the picture below, the joints tab has &#8216;0 connections&#8217;.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/us.v-cdn.net\/6032193\/uploads\/attachments\/d0389118-f8b1-4b15-941d-ab3d016b9918\/a2ddfd74-f84b-49b3-9a39-ab7c009c412e_capture3.jpg?width=690&amp;upscale=false\" alt=\"\"><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>I knew this was most probably wrong, but after the solution, I got the exact same result as before (same max\/min deformation and position), except that this time, the connection of the part did not fail. It remained intact even though it had the same deformation and same principal stresses.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/us.v-cdn.net\/6032193\/uploads\/attachments\/d0389118-f8b1-4b15-941d-ab3d016b9918\/0fd5b4a2-c55d-4b53-bbbe-ab7c009f28a4_capture2.jpg?width=690&amp;upscale=false\" alt=\"\"><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>I want to know whether in the second attempt, joint connections were created in my structure&nbsp;replacing the contact elements (as I wanted)? If not, then why the change in results? If yes, then why the remaining results are exactly the same as before?<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>I&nbsp;would be extremely grateful for your reply. Thank you.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"template":"","class_list":["post-41734","topic","type-topic","status-closed","hentry"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.10 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Hello everyone, I am a beginner in Ansys. 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