


{"id":39676,"date":"2019-12-17T16:17:29","date_gmt":"2019-12-17T16:17:29","guid":{"rendered":"\/forum\/forums\/topic\/ansys-fluent-ntgk-parameter-estimation-tool\/"},"modified":"2019-12-17T16:17:29","modified_gmt":"2019-12-17T16:17:29","slug":"ansys-fluent-ntgk-parameter-estimation-tool","status":"closed","type":"topic","link":"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/forums\/topic\/ansys-fluent-ntgk-parameter-estimation-tool\/","title":{"rendered":"Ansys Fluent NTGK parameter estimation tool"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Hello,<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>For my thesis I&#8217;m designing a batterypack for an application. Currently I&#8217;m trying to determine the U and Y coefficients for the NTGK battery model. Because I&#8217;m not able to do any experiments yet I used a graph delivered by the battery supplier (Voltage in functon of time in minutes). You can see the graph below. I extracted the values from the graph and wrote them in three .txt files (1C;2C and 3C). Completely below the text files are shown.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/us.v-cdn.net\/6032193\/uploads\/attachments\/5e9effed-5b8d-4a02-a8d6-ab1e00dc6442\/e4e2cee9-9ecf-4033-ae62-ab1e00dfbbf5_curve-ntgk-parameters.jpg?width=690&amp;upscale=false\" alt=\"C-rates Curves\"><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>With the parameter estimation tool I&#8217;ve readed the .txt files into Ansys. The tool calculated the Y and U parameters as shown below. I also added the model options (50Ah 3,2V pouch cell). As you can see the parameter bo isn&#8217;t correct because it&#8217;s shown in a red box. This parameter should be a positive number.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/us.v-cdn.net\/6032193\/uploads\/attachments\/5e9effed-5b8d-4a02-a8d6-ab1e00dc6442\/777c50e5-67f7-4ed2-8bbc-ab260109b889_model-parameters.jpg?width=690&amp;upscale=false\" alt=\"\"><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/us.v-cdn.net\/6032193\/uploads\/attachments\/5e9effed-5b8d-4a02-a8d6-ab1e00dc6442\/5029deea-c74a-401e-8da7-ab260109f968_model-options.jpg?width=690&amp;upscale=false\" alt=\"\"><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>The experimental and fitted results are shown below. As you can see these results doesn&#8217;t match the first graph at all and I can&#8217;t figure it out what I&#8217;m doing wrong.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/us.v-cdn.net\/6032193\/uploads\/attachments\/5e9effed-5b8d-4a02-a8d6-ab1e00dc6442\/8a19e946-73d8-47cd-9313-ab26010c0ad0_50ah-pouch-cell-calculatedparameters-exp-and-fitted-reults.jpg?width=690&amp;upscale=false\" alt=\"\"><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Text file 1C rate (time in seconds | voltage in V):<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><\/p>\n<p>Crate 1.0<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0001e+00&nbsp; 3.400e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0068e+00&nbsp; 3.252e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0194e+00&nbsp; 3.252e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0332e+00&nbsp; 3.249e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0466e+00&nbsp; 3.247e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0597e+00&nbsp; 3.239e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0862e+00&nbsp; 3.231e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0994e+00&nbsp; 3.225e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1260e+00&nbsp; 3.217e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1392e+00&nbsp; 3.213e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1657e+00&nbsp; 3.206e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1922e+00&nbsp; 3.198e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>2320e+00&nbsp; 3.188e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>2585e+00&nbsp; 3.172e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>3248e+00&nbsp; 3.119e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>3703e+00&nbsp; 2.889e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>3832e+00&nbsp; 2.576e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>3878e+00&nbsp; 2.368e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>3949e+00&nbsp; 2.146e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>3989e+00&nbsp; 2.003e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Text file 2C rate:<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><\/p>\n<p>Crate 2.0<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0001e+00&nbsp; 3.400e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0060e+00&nbsp; 3.187e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0200e+00&nbsp; 3.178e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0333e+00&nbsp; 3.172e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0465e+00&nbsp; 3.165e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0598e+00&nbsp; 3.156e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0730e+00&nbsp; 3.151e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0863e+00&nbsp; 3.141e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0995e+00&nbsp; 3.131e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1261e+00&nbsp; 3.108e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1515e+00&nbsp; 3.058e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1656e+00&nbsp; 2.976e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1744e+00&nbsp; 2.838e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1776e+00&nbsp; 2.750e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1802e+00&nbsp; 2.599e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1825e+00&nbsp; 2.504e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1850e+00&nbsp; 2.383e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1892e+00&nbsp; 2.195e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1901e+00&nbsp; 2.101e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1913e+00&nbsp; 2.012e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Text file 3C rate:<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><\/p>\n<p>Crate 3.0<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0001e+00&nbsp; 3.400e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0001e+00&nbsp; 3.134e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0134e+00&nbsp; 3.118e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0267e+00&nbsp; 3.109e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0400e+00&nbsp; 3.098e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0532e+00&nbsp; 3.090e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0665e+00&nbsp; 3.073e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0798e+00&nbsp; 3.055e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0919e+00&nbsp; 3.027e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>0997e+00&nbsp; 2.990e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1041e+00&nbsp; 2.955e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1075e+00&nbsp; 2.912e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1087e+00&nbsp; 2.869e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1113e+00&nbsp; 2.823e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1155e+00&nbsp; 2.623e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1201e+00&nbsp; 2.472e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1198e+00&nbsp; 2.388e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1226e+00&nbsp; 2.219e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1226e+00&nbsp; 2.180e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>1250e+00&nbsp; 2.009e+00&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Extra information:<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>This is how the console looks like and what I&#8217;ve entered as input parameters in Ansys:<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/us.v-cdn.net\/6032193\/uploads\/attachments\/5e9effed-5b8d-4a02-a8d6-ab1e00dc6442\/ab7d0a0f-52c5-48f8-8cc3-ab2800b2ef93_ansys-console.jpg?width=690&amp;upscale=false\" alt=\"\"><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>And here are the DOD in function of the U and Y parameters:<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/us.v-cdn.net\/6032193\/uploads\/attachments\/5e9effed-5b8d-4a02-a8d6-ab1e00dc6442\/51ccd15b-211f-447d-b5c6-ab2800b26c2c_dod-u-table.jpg?width=690&amp;upscale=false\" alt=\"\"><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/us.v-cdn.net\/6032193\/uploads\/attachments\/5e9effed-5b8d-4a02-a8d6-ab1e00dc6442\/cb14a4d0-777e-4579-b714-ab2800b27653_dod-y-table.jpg?width=690&amp;upscale=false\" alt=\"\"><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"template":"","class_list":["post-39676","topic","type-topic","status-closed","hentry"],"aioseo_notices":[],"acf":[],"custom_fields":[{"0":{"_bbp_old_topic_id":["11855"],"_bbp_old_topic_author_name_id":["Anonymous"],"_bbp_old_is_topic_anonymous_id":["false"],"_bbp_old_closed_status_id":["publish"],"_bbp_author_ip":[null],"_bbp_old_sticky_status_id":["normal"],"_bbp_likes_count":["1"],"_btv_view_count":["5089"],"_bbp_subscription":["245673","276959","199","285530","292611","294271"],"_bbp_topic_status":["unanswered"],"_bbp_status":["publish"],"_bbp_topic_id":["39676"],"_bbp_forum_id":["27792"],"_bbp_engagement":["199","69162","171337","171597","171727","173367","173578","174950","179708","187038","251771","253029","276959","285530","292611","294271"],"_bbp_voice_count":["16"],"_bbp_reply_count":["54"],"_bbp_last_reply_id":["308905"],"_bbp_last_active_id":["308905"],"_bbp_last_active_time":["2023-09-27 04:19:48"]},"test":"battery"}],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/topics\/39676","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/topics"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/topic"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/topics\/39676\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=39676"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}