{"id":382818,"date":"2024-09-16T20:09:31","date_gmt":"2024-09-16T20:09:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/forums\/topic\/unexpected-force-relative-to-distance-curve-repelling-magnets\/"},"modified":"2024-09-16T20:11:40","modified_gmt":"2024-09-16T20:11:40","slug":"unexpected-force-relative-to-distance-curve-repelling-magnets","status":"publish","type":"topic","link":"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/forums\/topic\/unexpected-force-relative-to-distance-curve-repelling-magnets\/","title":{"rendered":"Unexpected force relative to distance curve &#8211; Repelling magnets"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hi all,&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I have created a model consisting of an outer ring of twelfth 35*20mm magnets in a circle of diameter 200, with a disc magnet of 5*60mm at a height of 70 mm. As shown below:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/16-09-2024-1726516944-mceclip3.png\" width=\"143\" height=\"306\" \/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/16-09-2024-1726516536-mceclip1.png\" width=\"688\" height=\"662\" \/>&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(the box next to it is vacuum, and just used to specify a local coordinate system).&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I then set up a parametric simulation to increase the disc&#8217;s height from 40 to 90mm, expecting a decreasing force. But for some reason, the force seems to jump around a lot.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&nbsp;<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/16-09-2024-1726516665-mceclip2.png\" width=\"1511\" height=\"695\" \/>&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&nbsp;&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The same type of effect seems to occur for X, whereas I would expect that it essentially stay 0 since the disc magnet is exactly in the middle of the ring of magnets (it only moves in the Z direction):&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/16-09-2024-1726517059-mceclip4.png\" width=\"1584\" height=\"725\" \/>&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&#8217;ve used the default analysis setup, with the initial mesh settings resolution set to 5. I also made sure that the magnetization direction is upwards\/in the Z direction for all magnets.&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;When I look at the B field plot on some planes, it does look normal to me:&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/16-09-2024-1726517182-mceclip5.png\" width=\"1459\" height=\"1216\" \/>&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&#8217;ve used the default NdFe35 material for the disc magnet, and a altered version to get a grade 45 magnet specified this for the ring of magnets:&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/16-09-2024-1726517352-mceclip6.png\" width=\"478\" height=\"482\" \/>&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&nbsp;&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This is my first time using this software, so I&#8217;m kind of stuck now as I have no clue what might be causing this. Could somebody perhaps point me in the right direction?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;\/p&gt;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"template":"","class_list":["post-382818","topic","type-topic","status-publish","hentry","topic-tag-magnet"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.10 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Hi all,I have created a model consisting of an outer ring of twelfth 35*20mm magnets in a circle of diameter 200, with a disc magnet of 5*60mm at a height of 70 mm. 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