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I&#8217;m showing a few images below for illustration.&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/15-09-2024-1726367016-mceclip0.png\" \/>&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Fig 1: At Theta = 0 degrees.&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/15-09-2024-1726367219-mceclip1.png\" \/>&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Fig 2: At Theta = 10 degrees&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/15-09-2024-1726367258-mceclip2.png\" \/>&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Fig 3: Theta = 20 degrees&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#8230;And so on&#8230;&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;When I measure the phase of the S21 results, I see random 180 degree shifts in the measurements. I am not able to see any pattern in these shifts either.&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I thought perhaps it was because I was initially using 2 FE-BI boundaries and that might be causing an issue. So I tried a single Radiation boundary instead, but that also didn&#8217;t help.&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&nbsp;&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;table style=&#8221;border-collapse: collapse; width: 186pt;&#8221; border=&#8221;0&#8243; width=&#8221;248&#8243; cellspacing=&#8221;0&#8243; cellpadding=&#8221;0&#8243;&gt;&lt;colgroup&gt;&lt;col style=&#8221;mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 3474; width: 71pt;&#8221; width=&#8221;95&#8243;&gt; &lt;col style=&#8221;mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 5595; width: 115pt;&#8221; width=&#8221;153&#8243;&gt; &lt;\/colgroup&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr style=&#8221;height: 15.0pt;&#8221;&gt;&lt;td style=&#8221;height: 15.0pt; width: 71pt;&#8221; width=&#8221;95&#8243; height=&#8221;20&#8243;&gt;theta_rotation [deg]&lt;\/td&gt;&lt;td style=&#8221;width: 115pt;&#8221; width=&#8221;153&#8243;&gt;S21 Phase Results [deg]&lt;\/td&gt;&lt;\/tr&gt;&lt;tr style=&#8221;height: 15.0pt;&#8221;&gt;&lt;td style=&#8221;height: 15.0pt;&#8221; align=&#8221;right&#8221; height=&#8221;20&#8243;&gt;-10&lt;\/td&gt;&lt;td align=&#8221;right&#8221;&gt;101.2924367&lt;\/td&gt;&lt;\/tr&gt;&lt;tr style=&#8221;height: 15.0pt;&#8221;&gt;&lt;td style=&#8221;height: 15.0pt;&#8221; 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The -68.2 measurement seems to be shifted down by 180 degrees (-68.2 + 180 = 111.8). 111.8 degrees seems like a more reasonable measurement. This occurs again at random points with no discernible pattern.&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&nbsp;&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Can I please get some feedback on why this issue might be occuring and how I can fix it?&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&nbsp;&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thank you,&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Shyam&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&nbsp;&lt;\/p&gt;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"template":"","class_list":["post-382702","topic","type-topic","status-publish","hentry","topic-tag-ansys-hfss","topic-tag-hfss"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.10 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Hi,I&#039;m running a parametric sweep by rotating a probe around a central horn antenna. 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