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But fundamentally, loss tangent should also contain a little bit of eddy and hysteresis information.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Regardless when I calculate EM losses, my values are high (6W) when they are supposed to be in mW. My question is:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>What is the formula in fields calculator for getting my eddy and hysteresis losses of the core? Is it possible to separate them?<\/li>\n<li>Since these are R&amp;D toroids custom-made at our facility, what other properties (like conductivity\/resistivty of core, mass\/density of core) is vital for loss calculations?<\/li>\n<li>If I increase my peak AC current excitation to a relatively large signal (say from 1mA to 200 mA), is there a way to ask Ansys to proportionally increase the loss tangent so as to account for higher core losses due to higher pk-pk AC excitation strengths? (Excitation by impdance analyzers are less than 10 mT, so unless I have a BP curve, core loss at higher excitation window (+\/- Hm) seems impossible).&nbsp;<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Thanks for your time. Please feel free to comment even if you don&#8217;t have the answer to all the questions.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"wp-colorbox-image cboxElement\" href=\"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/08\/15-08-2024-1723763502-mceclip0.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/08\/15-08-2024-1723763502-mceclip0.png\"><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"template":"","class_list":["post-379230","topic","type-topic","status-publish","hentry"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.10 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Hi, I am simulating the small signal impedance response of custom fabricated toroid by experimentally measuring the permeability and loss tangent sweep at 1MHz to 1GHz. Since I am not using BP curves, I am not getting core loss as-is in the solution data. 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