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I have attached my full setup, and screenshots.<\/p>\n<p>General<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Pressure based, steady state, 3d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Models<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Energy equation on<\/li>\n<li>k-e realizable turbulence model<\/li>\n<li>Species transport, 66 step, 31 species chemkin file for ethanol reaction and thermo properties (it is using units CAL\/MOL. Do I need manual unit conversion?)&nbsp;\n<ul>\n<li>eddy dissipation, relax to chemical equilibrium<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>DPM settings\n<ul>\n<li>Interact with continous phase on<\/li>\n<li>unsteady particle tracking on<\/li>\n<li>update dpm sources every flow iteration on, iterations set to 1<\/li>\n<li>Max number of tracking steps set to 50,000<\/li>\n<li>particle time step set to 1e-6<\/li>\n<li>stochastic collision, breakup, volume displacement, two-way turbulence coupling on<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>DPM injections, some of which are angled to impinge (start time 0, stop time 999999999). All positioned -.0001 below surface in order to make sure all particles end up in domain&nbsp;\n<ul>\n<li>25 multicomponent plain oriface atomizers with 10 steams&nbsp;\n<ul>\n<li>75% c2h5oh<\/li>\n<li>25% h2o<\/li>\n<li>Temp=400k<\/li>\n<li>location, diameter, length, mass flow rate taken from real injector<\/li>\n<li>vapor pressure 50 psi<\/li>\n<li>A=4.9, radius of curvature=1e-5, 0-360 angle (all left unchanged)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>16 droplet plain oriface atomizer with 10 streams\n<ul>\n<li>100% Lox<\/li>\n<li>Temp=90k<\/li>\n<li>location, diameter, length, mass flow rate taken from real injector<\/li>\n<li>vapor pressure is 14psi<\/li>\n<li>A=4.9, radius of curvature=1e-5, 0-360 angle (all left unchanged)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Chemkin mechanism mixture set to ideal gas in order to model compressible flow<\/li>\n<li>Boundary conditions\n<ul>\n<li>No inlets (all material injected using DPM)<\/li>\n<li>Pressure outlet set to no backflow, DPM escape<\/li>\n<li>Wall set to trap to help particles evaporate<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Initialized at 300 psi expected operating pressure<\/li>\n<li>Patched chamber to 2500k for ignition<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>As I mentioned, the particles seem to build instead of evaporating. 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