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At the beginning of the experiment, there&#8217;s 1 atm of air inside the volume.<\/p>\n<p>The decrease in pressure I get is way less than what&#8217;s observed with the experiments and the analytical estimation.&nbsp;<br \/>&#8212;<br \/>My simulation is a watertight geometry with only one outlet.<\/p>\n<p>I use the Density based solver. The fluid is air from the material fluid list, and I changed &#8220;Density&#8221; parameter from constant to ideal gas, so density can vary, accordingly to P and T. (I tried other real gasses models as well, and tried many viscous models)<\/p>\n<p>My mesh has a good quality, I kept the number of nodes around 1M beceause it&#8217;s taking too long otherwise. (even as I&#8217;m computing on a Calculator)<\/p>\n<p>Transient simulation, time steps of 1e-4 s. The Solution is converging properly, with 20 it\/time step at the beginning and then reducing it to 3.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>From experimental and analytical pov, we know that we should observe a drop in pressure of about 5800 Pa in the volume after 10 seconds. However, The simulation only gives me a 10 Pa pressure drop. I&#8217;m attaching images here : https:\/\/www.swisstransfer.com\/d\/d29e23d6-0a70-48e6-923d-76c0e16e8a54 as i can&#8217;t attach them down here, idk why.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>What am I missing ?&nbsp;<br \/>Thanks for your time reading me <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"inlineimg\" title=\"Smile\" src=\"https:\/\/www.cfd-online.com\/Forums\/images\/smilies\/smile.gif\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\"><\/p>\n","protected":false},"template":"","class_list":["post-369991","topic","type-topic","status-closed","hentry","topic-tag-pressure-drop","topic-tag-vacuum-chamber-1"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.10 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Hello there,I&#039;m having a troubles with my simulation. I want to simulate the behaviour pressure over time of a parallelepiped vessel attached to a vacuum pump (which is just described by a mass flow outlet on the vessel). 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