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completely submerged underwater.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"0\"><!-- [if !supportEmptyParas]-->&nbsp;<!--[endif]--><\/p>\n<p class=\"0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">The target structure is almost cylindrical shape.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"0\"><!-- [if !supportEmptyParas]-->&nbsp;<!--[endif]--><\/p>\n<p class=\"0\"><!-- [if !supportEmptyParas]-->&nbsp;<!--[endif]--><\/p>\n<p class=\"0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">1.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">I would like to analyze the phenomenon that an object submerged deep underwater, static and exposed to only hydrostatic pressure, reduces the stiffness of the structure due to stress stiffening (weakening) and thus reduces the natural frequency.<\/span><!--[endif]--><!--[endif]--><!--[endif]--><\/p>\n<p class=\"0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">To do this I worked on a &lsquo;pre-stressed modal&rsquo;, below is a screenshot of what I did.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"0\"><!-- [if !supportEmptyParas]-->&nbsp;<a class=\"wp-colorbox-image cboxElement\" 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class=\"0\">&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">2. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">I would like to analyze how the added mass from the fluid around the structure increases the mass of the structure and decreases the natural frequency compared to when it is not submerged in fluid.<\/span><!--[endif]--><!--[endif]--><!--[endif]--><\/p>\n<p class=\"0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">To do this, I used &lsquo;modal acoustics&rsquo;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"0\">&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">I created a fluid field in the shape of a rectangle around the structure as shown below<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"0\"><!-- [if !supportEmptyParas]-->&nbsp;<!--[endif]--><!--[endif]--><\/p>\n<p class=\"0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">I selected the acoustics region, the physics region, and the FSI selected the inside face of the fluid where the fluid interfaces with the structure.<\/span><!--[endif]--><\/p>\n<p class=\"0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">then fixed one side of the 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