{"id":344327,"date":"2024-01-11T20:03:24","date_gmt":"2024-01-11T20:03:24","guid":{"rendered":"\/forum\/forums\/topic\/rigid-dynamics-for-a-mechanism-kinematic-solution-fail\/"},"modified":"2024-01-11T20:03:24","modified_gmt":"2024-01-11T20:03:24","slug":"rigid-dynamics-for-a-mechanism-kinematic-solution-fail","status":"closed","type":"topic","link":"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/forums\/topic\/rigid-dynamics-for-a-mechanism-kinematic-solution-fail\/","title":{"rendered":"Rigid Dynamics for a Mechanism Kinematic &#8211; Solution fail"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Hello,<\/p>\n<p>I have been working with Rigid Dynamic to replicate a Kinematic from CATIA:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/01\/11-01-2024-1705000954-movie001-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter (1).gif\" alt=\"Picture 1. Kinematic\"><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 10pt\"><em>Picture 1: Kinematic<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt\">I almost finish, but I am current facing a problem when I try to bond 2 parts, which are a sheet metal and a plastic overmold:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/01\/11-01-2024-1705001311-Screenshot 2024-01-11 132728.png\" alt=\"\"><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 10pt\"><em>Picture 2: Bonded parts<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>You can see what is the expected behaviour in the picture 1.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve already defined the respectively joint for both parts and test them individually to see if they behave as I expect in free state:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/01\/11-01-2024-1705002062-Pivote.gif\" alt=\"\"><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 10pt\"><em>Picture 3: Overmold behave<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/01\/11-01-2024-1705002077-Espada.gif\" alt=\"\"><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 10pt\"><em>Picture 4: Sheet metal behave<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt\">They look good. So, now I need to bond them to get the whole result.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt\">For that I have set a Fixed joint :<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/01\/11-01-2024-1705002484-mceclip1.png\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 10pt\">Picture 5: Fixed Joint (Metal sheet + overmold)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Then I run the solver, but I got a failure during the solution process. Solution information attached below.<\/p>\n<p>I have done several things to try to solve it, but I haven&#8217;t success. Can you help me with this case?<\/p>\n<div id=\"paraDiv\">\n<p id=\"paragraphData\" class=\"paragraphText\" style=\"font-size: 12px;display: inline\"><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\"><strong><span style=\"font-size: 10pt\">Solution information<\/span><\/strong><br \/>Initializing transient simulation<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Position correction is enabled.<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Velocity correction is enabled.<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Correction uses Pure Kinematic.<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Assembly uses Inertia Matrix.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Creating Internal Loads<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Creating Flexible Bodies Internal Drivers<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Updating Loads and Drivers Based On Internal Joint Representation<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Updating Stops Based On Internal Joint Representation<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Creating Stops Contact Points<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Updating Relations Based On Internal Joint Representation<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Initializing Transient Analysis<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Starting assembly simulation<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Stopped Stop Minimum Bound on Joint General &#8211; 29 31113 -.1\\29 31308 -.1\\29 31381|00 -.1\\(29 31381)_LIFT_CAMSLOT_OTR_RH|Solid.2 To 29 31094 -.1\\29 31434|00 -.1\\(29 31434)_PUSH ROD RH OVERMOLD|Solid.15, DOF 1 during initial assembly<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Stopped Stop Minimum Bound on Joint General &#8211; 29 31100 01F.1\\29 31107 -.1\\(29 31107)_BEARING TILT LEVER WITH ROLLO SPRING|Solid.368 To 29 31100 01F.1\\29 31127 -.1\\(29_31127)_PIN_MEC_4|Solid.3, DOF 0 during initial assembly<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Stopped Forced Frictional Sliding &#8211; 29 31092 -.1\\(29_31092)_PANEL CARRIER OVERMOLDING_RH|Solid.12 To 29 31113 -.1\\29 31308 -.1\\29 31381|00 -.1\\(29 31381)_LIFT_CAMSLOT_OTR_RH|Solid.2 during initial assembly<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Stopped Forced Frictional Sliding &#8211; 29 31100 01F.1\\29 31109 01F.1\\29 31102 -.1\\(29_31102)_PIN MEC_1|Solid.9 To 29 31100 01F.1\\29 31107 -.1\\(29 31107)_BEARING TILT LEVER WITH ROLLO SPRING|Solid.368 during initial assembly<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Stopped Forced Frictional Sliding &#8211; 29 31092 -.1\\(29_31092)_PANEL CARRIER OVERMOLDING_RH|Solid.12 To 29 31113 -.1\\29 31308 -.1\\29 31381|00 -.1\\(29 31381)_LIFT_CAMSLOT_OTR_RH|Solid.2 during initial assembly<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Stopped Forced Frictional Sliding &#8211; 29 31100 01F.1\\29 31109 01F.1\\29 31102 -.1\\(29_31102)_PIN MEC_1|Solid.9 To 29 31100 01F.1\\29 31107 -.1\\(29 31107)_BEARING TILT LEVER WITH ROLLO SPRING|Solid.368 during initial assembly<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Stopped Forced Frictional Sliding &#8211; 29 31092 -.1\\(29_31092)_PANEL CARRIER OVERMOLDING_RH|Solid.12 To 29 31113 -.1\\29 31308 -.1\\29 31381|00 -.1\\(29 31381)_LIFT_CAMSLOT_OTR_RH|Solid.2 during initial assembly<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Stopped Forced Frictional Sliding &#8211; 29 31100 01F.1\\29 31109 01F.1\\29 31102 -.1\\(29_31102)_PIN MEC_1|Solid.9 To 29 31100 01F.1\\29 31107 -.1\\(29 31107)_BEARING TILT LEVER WITH ROLLO SPRING|Solid.368 during initial assembly<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Stopped Forced Frictional Sliding &#8211; 29 31092 -.1\\(29_31092)_PANEL CARRIER OVERMOLDING_RH|Solid.12 To 29 31113 -.1\\29 31308 -.1\\29 31381|00 -.1\\(29 31381)_LIFT_CAMSLOT_OTR_RH|Solid.2 during initial assembly<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Stopped Forced Frictional Sliding &#8211; 29 31100 01F.1\\29 31109 01F.1\\29 31102 -.1\\(29_31102)_PIN MEC_1|Solid.9 To 29 31100 01F.1\\29 31107 -.1\\(29 31107)_BEARING TILT LEVER WITH ROLLO SPRING|Solid.368 during initial assembly<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Stopped Forced Frictional Sliding &#8211; 29 31092 -.1\\(29_31092)_PANEL CARRIER OVERMOLDING_RH|Solid.12 To 29 31113 -.1\\29 31308 -.1\\29 31381|00 -.1\\(29 31381)_LIFT_CAMSLOT_OTR_RH|Solid.2 during initial assembly<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Stopped Forced Frictional Sliding &#8211; 29 31100 01F.1\\29 31109 01F.1\\29 31102 -.1\\(29_31102)_PIN MEC_1|Solid.9 To 29 31100 01F.1\\29 31107 -.1\\(29 31107)_BEARING TILT LEVER WITH ROLLO SPRING|Solid.368 during initial assembly<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Stopped Forced Frictional Sliding &#8211; 29 31092 -.1\\(29_31092)_PANEL CARRIER OVERMOLDING_RH|Solid.12 To 29 31113 -.1\\29 31308 -.1\\29 31381|00 -.1\\(29 31381)_LIFT_CAMSLOT_OTR_RH|Solid.2 during initial assembly<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Stopped Forced Frictional Sliding &#8211; 29 31100 01F.1\\29 31109 01F.1\\29 31102 -.1\\(29_31102)_PIN MEC_1|Solid.9 To 29 31100 01F.1\\29 31107 -.1\\(29 31107)_BEARING TILT LEVER WITH ROLLO SPRING|Solid.368 during initial assembly<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Convergence reached after 5 Iteration<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Stopped Forced Frictional Sliding &#8211; 29 31100 01F.1\\29 31109 01F.1\\29 31102 -.1\\(29_31102)_PIN MEC_1|Solid.9 To 29 31100 01F.1\\29 31107 -.1\\(29 31107)_BEARING TILT LEVER WITH ROLLO SPRING|Solid.368 during initial assembly<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Analysis of model redundancies:<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Joint Fixed &#8211; 29 31100 01F.1\\29 31109 01F.1\\29 31105 -.1\\(29_31105)_TILT_LEVER_RH|Solid.3 To 29 31100 01F.1\\29 31109 01F.1\\29 31102 -.1\\(29_31102)_PIN MEC_1|Solid.9 shows some constraint redundancies<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; X Rotation constraint equation was at time redundant<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Y Rotation constraint equation was at time redundant<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; _________________________________________________________________________<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Starting transient simulation<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Using MJ Time Stepping time integration<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Force residual tolerance is 1.000000e-07<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Position constraint residual tolerance is 1.000000e-08<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Velocity constraint residual tolerance is 1.000000e-08 <\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Integration tolerance is off<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Model Summary:<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Number of effective bodies: 15<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Total Number of Joints: 17 (14 based on degrees of freedom, 3 based on constraint equations)<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3 Joints of Type General<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2 Joints of Type Point On Curve<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3 Joints of Type Revolute<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 Joint of Type SingleRotationGeneralJoint<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 Joints of Type Weld<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Number of Physical Degrees of Freedom: 14<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; _________________________________________________________________________<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Stopped Forced Frictional Sliding &#8211; 29 31100 01F.1\\29 31109 01F.1\\29 31102 -.1\\(29_31102)_PIN MEC_1|Solid.9 To 29 31100 01F.1\\29 31107 -.1\\(29 31107)_BEARING TILT LEVER WITH ROLLO SPRING|Solid.368 at 0<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Murty&#8217;s algorithm reached maximum number of iterations: 289<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Last 3 minimal values are -3.788397e-02 -4.214779e+10 -3.788397e-02 <\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PSOR algorithm reached maximum number of iterations: 289 <\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Initial residual 7.136916e+01 Last 3 residual values are 8.065929e-01 8.065929e-01 8.065929e-01 <\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">*** Warning:<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; None of the LCP solvers succeeded, Abort computation.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; No set of active contact stops can satisfy all the constraint equations. Solve cannot proceed<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;Solve failed <\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/em><br \/><em><span style=\"font-size: 8pt\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; InitializeTransientDynamics failed<\/span><\/em> <\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"template":"","class_list":["post-344327","topic","type-topic","status-closed","hentry","topic-tag-catiav5","topic-tag-error","topic-tag-kinematic","topic-tag-mechanism","topic-tag-motion-1"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.10 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Hello,I have been working with Rigid Dynamic to replicate a Kinematic from CATIA:Picture 1: KinematicI almost finish, but I am current facing a problem when I try to bond 2 parts, which are a sheet metal and a plastic overmold:Picture 2: Bonded partsYou can see what is the expected behaviour in the picture 1. 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