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See attached pic.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I am using dynamic mesh and the three airfoils are treated as one unit&#8230; the turbine&#8230; which is defined to rotate in the 6DOF settings.<\/p>\n<p>By any chance, anyone have any thoughts why the negative moment values exist and how to correct it?&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Also, do the residuals look good? I don&#8217;t see much of a reduction in value from start to finish (but my impression is that wind turbines don&#8217;t share this outcome)&#8230; although the time interval from high to low cycles does shorten with time (the zigzag is more prominant) in the latter 1\/2 of the flow time.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks, Nate<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/11\/28-11-2023-1701208841-mceclip0.png\" width=\"895\" height=\"449\"><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/11\/28-11-2023-1701208950-mceclip2.png\" width=\"851\" height=\"496\"><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/11\/28-11-2023-1701209383-mceclip5.png\" width=\"836\" height=\"418\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/11\/28-11-2023-1701209252-mceclip4.png\"><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"template":"","class_list":["post-319873","topic","type-topic","status-closed","hentry","topic-tag-6dof-solver","topic-tag-fluent","topic-tag-moment","topic-tag-wind-turbine"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.10 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Hello Forum,I am wondering why I am getting negative moment values for a Darrius type vertical axis wind turbine when there is constant counterclockwise rotation. 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