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So First I&#8217;ve focused on the free plate analysis and later, I will be interested&nbsp;in the full body resonances by using FEA.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>As I understand that there is a problem with identifying the material properties of wood. I can measure longitudinal and transverse elasticity by using resonance method (<a href=\"http:\/\/ukuleles.com\/?page_id=793\"> http:\/\/ukuleles.com\/?page_id=793<\/a>). This method is very useful&nbsp;for instrument maker because getting results is easy, quick and cheaper than other techniques. But I&nbsp;can&#8217;t obtain Poisson&nbsp;ratio or Shear modulus. So I need to borrow this data from other works, and I think this is causing a problem. Best,<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Emir<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>from my measurement setup (Chladni Method):<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/us.v-cdn.net\/6032193\/uploads\/attachments\/44c683e3-4dd7-4998-97ba-a825007a4523\/8f3b02be-87e2-474c-abff-a82a008f0ba0_p-20171113-105353.jpg?width=690&amp;upscale=false\" alt=\"\"><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/us.v-cdn.net\/6032193\/uploads\/attachments\/44c683e3-4dd7-4998-97ba-a825007a4523\/7d6c0226-f4a7-4a3b-a729-a82a00c32fd7_modes.jpg?width=690&amp;upscale=false\" alt=\"\"><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>Elasticity results according to Resonance Method,<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/us.v-cdn.net\/6032193\/uploads\/attachments\/44c683e3-4dd7-4998-97ba-a825007a4523\/9cba8c05-3207-4f09-bddc-a82a00ca4cc1_form&uuml;l.jpg?width=690&amp;upscale=false\" alt=\"\"><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>Ey Young&#8217;s modulus, h thickness, Fy bending mode frequency (dividing y-direction), Ly y-dimension length, d density (Another direction modulus&nbsp;can be found by using same formula)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>Ex<\/strong>= 9,9e6 Pa<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>Ey<\/strong>= 5,1e8 Pa<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>Exy<\/strong>= 7,5e8 Pa<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"template":"","class_list":["post-55528","reply","type-reply","status-publish","hentry"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.10 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Thank you very much, Peter, you gave very important information. 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