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The timestep sizes that were diverging before are still diverging, even if a little later with actually slightly different contours, the stable ones from before lead to basically identical results.&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Timestep 3e-5s, Velocity limited to 50m\/s, Wall rotating at 1 rad\/s&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/07\/08-07-2024-1720453226-mceclip1.png\" \/>&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Timestep 1e-5s, Velocity limited to 50m\/s, Wall rotating at 1 rad\/s&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/07\/08-07-2024-1720453705-mceclip2.png\" \/>&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&nbsp;&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As the densities of the two phases are very different and hence the problem that arose was excactly what Fluent describes as critical for stability, I tried pushing the velocity limiting even further (to 1m\/s, with 3e-5s as timestep), as 1rad\/s with a radius of 1mm means speeds in the orders of magnitude around 0.01m\/s. Unfortunately this lead to unphysical results, something known in the Fluent Guides. It&#8217;s also worth noting that I cannot replicate this unphysical contour (which is present throughout the whole calculation) using smaller timesteps (they would again lead to a fully &#8220;flat surface&#8221;, looking exactly as if there was no rotation imposed at all).&nbsp;&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/07\/08-07-2024-1720452712-mceclip0.png\" \/>&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Increasing the rotational speeds to 50rad\/s constant or applying a 50rad\/s triangular peak don&#8217;t change the profile when simulating with the timestep size 1e-5s, and with bigger timesteps I get the same divergence as before. The backflow in on the open boundary changes a little, indicating to me that Fluent is not disregarding the change in rotational speed; but as to what I expect from the solution and want to prove I am not able to get the software to perform results that should be phyiscal in my opinion.&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Timestep 1e-5s, Velocity limited to 50m\/s, Wall rotating at 50 rad\/s&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/innovationspace.ansys.com\/forum\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/07\/08-07-2024-1720454298-mceclip3.png\" \/>&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&nbsp;&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&#8217;d be glad about final thoughts on where these problems could arise from and what I could be doing wrong.&lt;\/p&gt;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"template":"","class_list":["post-370986","reply","type-reply","status-publish","hentry"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.10 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"I am replying late as the forum was down for maintenance a long time. 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